Depositioning, with Todd Irwin

De-positioning with Todd Irwin

Episode 226

Positioning is an element that’s so foundational to  Marketing, it’s taught in every introductory class alongside the “Four Ps” of marketing. Positioning is meant to describe the choices a brand makes to maximize how the market sees it. Positioning is very powerful because it can set perceptions that drive customer loyalty, strong demand, and the willingness to pay a premium price.

 

But if all this is true, then why is the landscape littered with examples of where brands have flopped—cases where brand positioning actually caused a product to fail?

 

Take Microsoft Zune: Because how people thought of MP3 players had already been set by Apple 

Colgate Frozen Entrees: Sure, both food and toothpaste enter our mouths, but other TV dinner brands don’t plant the taste of toothpaste in your head.

Harley-Davidson’s “Legendary” Cologne: People buy a fragrance for the impression they want to leave, not one whose name evokes burned rubber and gasoline.

Cosmopolitan Yogurt: There are plenty of brands in the dairy aisle. People didn’t think a fashion brand belonged there

Frito-Lay Lemonade: Marketing a salty snack and chasing it with a  “Thirst-quenching drink” strikes people as a cynical cash grab

The reason these brands flopped is they tried positioning themselves on a competitor’s turf. The correct way to position yourself is to start with customer needs and work outward from there. To do this right, we’ve got to flip the traditional concept on its head. Instead of positioning, the author we’re talking with today says we must deposition our brands. 

 

He is the founder and chief strategy officer of brand strategy firm Fazer. Over three decades, he has led strategy for Fortune 500 companies as well as venture-backed disruptors. His work has been featured in the New York times Forbes and MIT technology review. 

 

Let’s go now to New York City to speak with Todd Irwin.



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Chapter/Timestamps

00:00 What’s Wrong with Market Positioning

01:47 Introduction to Depositioning 

02:46 Concepts and Framework

08:02 Real-World Examples of Depositioning

14:58 Integration and Coherence in Branding

26:48 Conclusion and Where to Find More

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Tried and True Marketing Reads

Tried & True Mktg books

Episode 225

At the time I’m recording this it’s a new year. This is a typical time when people plan what they’re going to achieve fitness-wise, financially and professionally. If you’re working on that last one and wonder about what marketing reads you should try, I have some marketing books that could do just the thing. There are Five in all. – Let’s dive right in.



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Chapter Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and Overview

01:12 Book 1: Digital Body Language by Steven Woods

08:01 Book 2: Permission Marketing by Seth Godin

14:12 Book 3: Web Analytics 2.0 by Avinash Kaushik

19:55 Book 4: You Should Test That by Chris Goward

26:21 Book 5: Hacking Marketing by Scott Brinker

32:06 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

People and products mentioned in the episode: 

Digital Body Language by Steven Woods | Goodreads

Permission Marketing: Turning Strangers into Friends and Friends into Customers by Seth Godin | Goodreads

Web Analytics 2.0: The Art of Online Accountability and Science of Customer Centricity by Avinash Kaushik | Goodreads

You Should Test That: Conversion Optimization for More Leads, Sales and Profit or The Art and Science of Optimized Marketing by Chris Goward | Goodreads

Hacking Marketing: Agile Practices to Make Marketing Smarter, Faster, and More Innovative by Scott Brinker | Goodreads

I post all my personal reading at https://www.goodreads.com/heyglenns

Funnel Reboot Books-of-the-Month for 2026 are below, follow along and by sending me a question via the Get In Touch page, I’ll pose it to the author and get their response on the show.

January – Depositioning, Todd Irwin

February – Optimizing Sales and Marketing Data, Susan Walsh