Unorthodoxy, with Gil Gildner

Gil Gildner

We as consumers do a lot of things just because the people around us are doing them. For proof, look no further than some historical examples—from the 17th-century tulip bulb craze in Holland to doomsday cults and prepper movements in the lead-up to Y2K. Buying fads such as pet rocks, fidget spinners, Beanie Babies, and NFTs all show how easily prevailing thoughts influence individual behavior.

 

The science behind this is well understood. The evolutionary drive to fit in with our peers is very strong. When a group of people’s purchases are plotted as a histogram, we always see the majority of them clumped near the centre – we see it so often we came up with a term for it – the Bell curve. 

 

So even when people think they are  expressing themselves, showing individuality by their brand choices, they are only veering slightly away from the norm. 

 

Hey, Glenn here—welcome to Funnel Reboot. Our guest today—who I really do think has positively impacted marketers’ careers—argues that marketers are just as susceptible to conformity as consumers are. We get caught up in prevailing marketing practices when doing our job, while ignoring better marketing options. That’s a recipe for mediocre results. 

 

Our guest is the author of three marketing books and the co-founder of an eight year old digital agency that has attracted clients whose annual spend ranges from thousands to millions of dollars. What does he credit for this marketing success? The time he’s spent on the edges of the Bell curve – doing things that most of us view as too far outside of our comfort zone. And he says to be a better marketer, you too should reject the orthodoxy of conventional marketing. 

 

Unorthodox is the name of his latest book, and I’m glad to welcome back for a second time, Gil Gildner



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A Far Side cartoon that fits the thesis of Gil’s book

People, products and concepts mentioned in the episode:

Gil’s Agency Discosloth

Gil on X

The book Unorthodoxy 

Chernobyl

LSAs (Local Services Ads)

Performance Max (Google Ads campaign using artificial intelligence)

Chris Anderson book “The Long Tail”

Gwyn Shotwell

David Thoreau’s time on Walden Pond

Peter Thiel

Galileo

Martin Luther

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Greenlighting your marketing strategy with a winning deck, with Shea Cole

Shea Cole

Episode 203:

How many words does a message need to be for it to be useful? Would you believe under 35 words, or under 160 characters? Here are some examples:

Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg address: “We cannot dedicate. We cannot consecrate we cannot hallow this ground. The world will little note nor long. Remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.”

Suffragette leader Emmeline Pankhurst declared, “We are here not because we are law-breakers; we are here in our efforts to become law-makers.”

Henry David Thoreau, in his book Walden, on experiencing Nature should be accessible to all, regardless of social or economic status. “The setting sun is reflected from the windows of the almshouse as brightly as from the rich man’s abode”.

JFK “the goal, before this decade is out, [is] of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to earth.”

Pierre Trudeau: proposed in 1967 that Canada should decriminalize homosexuality. He said “The view we take is, there’s no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation.”

Hilary Clinton 2008  when she lost out to Barack Obama for the nomination to run for president said “we weren’t able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time,” but added proudly, “it’s got about 18 million cracks in it,” a tally of her primary votes.

Having heard those, you’ll agree that this is doable.

Someone who believes a concise strategy is what it takes to lead people

What’s more, she believes we must show them this learned skill so they can craft their strategies and develop into leaders themselves.  Our guest is a storyteller, a framework-maker, a brand-builder, who talks about strategy, communication skills, and how to forge your own path. She is the CMO for a security technology firm called Field Effect. Shea Cole is a wife and mom and  a 2024 Recipient Ottawa’s top 40 under forty.

 

Timestamps/Chapters:

00:00:00 Intro

00:04:23 Welcome Shea Cole

00:11:27 Build deck & meeting around vision

00:18:04 Slide 1

00:29:20 PSA

00:30:00 Slides 2 through 6

00:36:25 Adding parts that turn strategy into dollars

00:46:06 Contacting Shea

People/Products/Concepts Mentioned in Show

Shea’s website

Shea on LinkedIn

Shea’s article on the 6-Slide Deck, on Medium

Shea’s course on “How to Build a Strategy”

Labatts 50 – The Beer of the Canadien Working Class 



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Master presenter, Shea Cole

What we can learn from artists, with Fred Pike

What we can learn from artists, with Fred Pike

Episode 163

Today we’re talking about what analytics has to do with music (check out this music about analytics by songwriter Kai Feng). We’re looking at a musician’s work style and seeing what analysts can adopt from it. According to today’s guest, these two disciplines have much in common.  

Fred Pike is a father, a grandfather and a string musician who both plays in and is president of the Milwaukee Mandolin orchestra. 

He is also a Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO), Google Analytics and Google Tag Manager expert, having been a founding member of the web development agency Northwoods which just celebrated twenty five years in business. He has also shared his knowledge through various courses and at CXL which is better known as Conversion XL and sessions he has presented at Superweek

He approaches marketing analytics in much the same way as he approaches a musical performance. So let’s listen to how he does that, in my chat with Fred Pike. 

People/Products/Concepts Mentioned in Show

Northwoods, the agency which Fred co-founded

Fred on LinkedIn

Fred on X/Twitter

Milwaukee Mandolin Orchestra

Great video by Kai Feng singing about data: https://youtu.be/D_upBpY1U2I?si=DxFHdl-PO7CqLGXH&t=147

Simo Ahava

Jeff Sauer

Julius Fedorovicius

Sonke Ahrens

“The dullest pencil beats the sharpest mind”

Episode 162: In search marketing, change = opportunity. With Giannina Fumagalli

In search marketing, change = opportunity. with Giannina Fumigalli

This is the second episode in a series on having a thriving career. There is one specific subfield where this challenge is harder than usual – it’s marketing within paid and organic search. There are always new tools and techniques coming along, and In our guest’s opinion, to be a search marketing professional means upgrading yourself, to master them while the iron is still hot. 

I’ll be talking with someone who has dealt with more than her fair share of change – but who feels she is better as a result. Originally from Peru, Giannina Fumagalli has lived in Montreal Canada for the last 18 years and who has been working in digital marketing that whole time, including both agency and client-side roles. She is currently the Growth Marketer at Vircom, a pioneer in B2B Email Security.

People/Products/Concepts Mentioned in Show

Giannina works at Vircom.com

Parisian vs Quebecois French

RSA = Responsive Search Ad

Episode Reboot. “Not all clicks are created equal”

Episode 161: Charting your course as a young marketer, with Marissa Homere

Ep 161 Charting your course as a young marketer

There’s a lot you need to deal with in a marketing career, such as: 

  • What skills you should chase after when in an entry-level vs what’s needed at higher levels
  • How to manage both above and below your level
  • What continuous learning actually looks like
  • Knowing when a job isn’t panning out and you need to cut  your losses
  • Balancing whether to join a company based on the brand’s cachet, the title, the salary and what you will get out of the experience
  • Advice when interviewing for marketing roles – what she looks food when hiring
  • How to cultivate your profile within your organization
  • When to stay a generalist, or when to gain a specific skill by joining a special project 

This episode’s guest is eminently qualified to cover these topics. Marissa Homere is the VP of Marketing at Irwin, an investor relations and capital markets software company. She is a demand generation leader and for the last decade, she has built and scaled marketing teams in a wide range of industries. She also teaches in an online marketing program. 

In this episode, Marissa shares her thoughts on the marketing industry as a whole, how young professionals can be best prepared for today’s rapidly changing environment, and what it takes to succeed in a fast-paced marketing role. Most importantly, she talks about how, as a wife and mother, how societal issues have muscled in on her life as a marketer. Like being a working parent, handling old oppressive tendencies in the workplace, struggling to balance career ladder-climbing with family responsibilities. 

People/Products/Concepts Mentioned in Show

Marissa works at Irwin

Dave Hale

uOttawa Marketing program

Modern Marketing Certificate

Episode Reboot. Marissa’s 3 questions: Are you growing? Are you learning? Are you fairly compensated?